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Hi Viz . . . yay or nay?

#1 Unread post by Grey Thumper » Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:50 pm

I get the impression ATGATT is pretty much a foregone conclusion for most riders on this site (or at the very least, All The Gear Most Of The Time, or Most Of The Gear All The Time).

What about Hi Viz though? Seems much more debatable and a matter of personal preference.
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#2 Unread post by BRUMBEAR » Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:41 pm

My jackets both have small reflective strips but high vis couldn't hurt
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#3 Unread post by a_hippie » Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:35 pm

It ain't a bad idea at all. I have a suit with several bright white/reflective stripes. If I were buying a new suit, I'd probably add more bright color to be easier to see. I run headlights ALL THE TIME. Headlights will save your bacon ..

I mostly am ATGATT, but I'll run lighter in some places. The helmet all the time. Pavement always wins . .
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#4 Unread post by jstark47 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:37 pm

I bought a new Rev'it jacket last year. I bought it for features and fit and price. It's just a fringe benefit that it came in screaming electric phosphorescent insect-guts greenish-yellow. It's the most hi-viz bit of gear I've ever owned. But does it really help?

I have auxiliary lights mounted on the fork tubes of one of my bikes. I think they help. Having situational awareness about other vehicles and using smart lane positioning for maximum visibility helps. The occasional SMIDSY weave when appropriate helps. All these things work together incrementally to manage risk.

I'm sure the hi-viz jacket adds its contribution towards risk management. I don't think it does much by itself, but it adds something as part of the total package. But I wouldn't buy a jacket that fit poorly or didn't have the right features merely because it was hi-viz.
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#5 Unread post by faded sun » Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:05 pm

In Canada the headlights are on all the time by law, long before it became ordinary for cars to run with them on. The bright gear might give you an added degree of visibility (especially at night) but I still get people acting like I'm not there. There is no substitute for predicting the worst and staying awake.

If you are going to ride aggressively then you have to expect that drivers (cagers) are not going to react as quickly as you want them to. Most of them don't see you because you are moving faster than the rest of the traffic flow and it throws their prediction off.

My gear always has reflective tape. I know from being a driver and bicycle rider that you are invisible in the dark without it on a bicycle. At least your motorcycle has a bunch of lights to help.
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#6 Unread post by Grey Thumper » Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:55 pm

Well, this is me, so I'm obviously a believer.

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But like jstark and faded sun said, being situationally aware (and trying to predict how things will go) are way more important. Hi Viz only helps with the cagers who are actually paying attention. But what the hey, it's completely passive, cheap (a Hi Viz vest barely costs anything, and a white helmet is usually the cheapest color), and reflects heat more than black stuff.
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#7 Unread post by Jarlaxle » Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:55 pm

Yes! I wear a hi-vis jacket, hi-vis helmet; my riding pants are gray (couldn't find hi-vis), but they do have reflective piping. Visibility is GOOD.

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#8 Unread post by Hanson » Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:16 pm

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#9 Unread post by Thumper » Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:21 pm

Yep.

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(the pants are cool weather only...but yeah, I rock the hi-viz gear. Helmet & jacket always; if I could find hi-viz mesh pants I'd wear that when it's warm instead of the kevlar jeans I usually wear.)

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#10 Unread post by blues2cruise » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:17 pm

I also wear high viz. Aside from being seen a bit better...I like the bright colours.
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#11 Unread post by ronrex » Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:15 pm

I like joe rocket yellow or red. I also use black reflective 3m lightning bolt decals on my helmet for the night....but, yeah. High viz does rock. I would definitely consider it if I didnt have all the other stuff.

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#12 Unread post by Grey Thumper » Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:38 pm

Thumper wrote:Yep.

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(the pants are cool weather only...but yeah, I rock the hi-viz gear. Helmet & jacket always; if I could find hi-viz mesh pants I'd wear that when it's warm instead of the kevlar jeans I usually wear.)
Whoah, that's the brightest combo I've ever seen :shock: . If you're still looking, Motoport makes Hi Viz mesh pants, although I dunno how much you should prioritize hi viz pants. Your helmet and jacket are much more in a driver's line of sight anyway.
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#13 Unread post by Jarlaxle » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:51 am

Got a link? I spent 2 months looking for mesh pants and found nothing! (Well, except a couple of places that would custom-make anything for a breathtaking price.)

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#14 Unread post by KTMARCHER » Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:04 pm

after 50+ years riding I just assume I am invisable and ride accordingly. Mainly because I have made eye contact numerous times and have my right of way compromised. The cager sometimes wakes up way after his incursion into my space. Hi Vis is for those who believe in unicorns, they are all blind to their situation. I don't rely on the cager tpo be predictable and i don't count on my clothing colors to wake them up. I have over 150,000 miles on a dark bike and dark outfit in LA traffic with no problems. If you think it helps, you are part way toward letting the cager have the say in what he sees.

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#15 Unread post by Thumper » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:59 pm

Grey Thumper wrote:If you're still looking, Motoport makes Hi Viz mesh pants, although I dunno how much you should prioritize hi viz pants. Your helmet and jacket are much more in a driver's line of sight anyway.
I'm a bright colors kinda person...I may look for those for the hell of it. Thanks! :)

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#16 Unread post by Grey Thumper » Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:04 am

Jarlaxle wrote:Got a link? I spent 2 months looking for mesh pants and found nothing! (Well, except a couple of places that would custom-make anything for a breathtaking price.)
Here you go. http://www.motoport.com/index.php?optio ... 9&Itemid=4

A bit expensive at around $400. There must be other hi viz mesh pants out there.
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#17 Unread post by ronrex » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:05 pm

I like weaving in my lane. it puts motion into the peripherals of the drivers, shines my light in their faces and is fun to do. You can even time it so you have the best escape route or least impact if they pull out or turn. Plus, i wear yellow. I'm pro hi-vis, just can't afford it, so i weave.

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#18 Unread post by blues2cruise » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:51 pm

ronrex wrote:I like weaving in my lane. it puts motion into the peripherals of the drivers, shines my light in their faces and is fun to do. You can even time it so you have the best escape route or least impact if they pull out or turn. Plus, i wear yellow. I'm pro hi-vis, just can't afford it, so i weave.
Yellow is good.

drbar taught me to weave in my lane when someone behind starts getting too close. It usually makes them back off.
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#19 Unread post by Grey Thumper » Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:48 am

ronrex wrote:I like weaving in my lane. it puts motion into the peripherals of the drivers, shines my light in their faces and is fun to do. You can even time it so you have the best escape route or least impact if they pull out or turn. Plus, i wear yellow. I'm pro hi-vis, just can't afford it, so i weave.
I like weaving as well, and should do it more often. I used to do it a lot when approaching intersections, hoping the lateral motion reminds drivers that I'm there.

Hi Viz doesn't have to be expensive; a reflective vest from your nearest hardware store shouldn't cost much.
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#20 Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:16 pm

Yup, Hi-Viz jacket and I always consider my color choices for my bike, helmet, gloves and boots/jeans. I do my very best to stay away from Black and try to pick the brightest of colors.

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