CentralOzzy wrote:So one day I wad dedicated, leaned over to the max, about to go down the one way street (Yes, the correct way) & Surprise!!! a Car zooming up the wrong way....Yes it did happen Fast & the decision I made was to lock up the back wheel & lay it down rather that have a head on with said vehicle.
Al,
With all due respect how did you stop faster by sliding than by braking?
It wasn't about applying brakes & stopping, no time.... it was about avoiding the front of his car with my body....so I slid the bike into the car while I stayed behind the bike, the bike hit & I missed!
I had full leathers on & so didn't get hurt at all. Although it's not desirable to do this, it was much better than impacting the hard metal of the vehicle.
CentralOzzy wrote:
So one day I wad dedicated, leaned over to the max, about to go down the one way street (Yes, the correct way) & Surprise!!! a Car zooming up the wrong way....Yes it did happen Fast & the decision I made was to lock up the back wheel & lay it down rather that have a head on with said vehicle.
I applaud your quick thinking. You had to overcome the overwhelming instinct to stay upright, and any lesser rider would have locked the brakes, locked their arms, and hit that car head on. It was an unfortunate incident to be sure, but your quick reflexes and experience probably saved your life.
I started out riding on the Dirt & I really think this is the perfect start to Motorcycling.
There's nothing like riding in dust, mud, thru rivers & over logs to prepare you for the adventures of the road & other road users!
I ride on the road like I used to ride in the dirt (You know what I mean) & I also Drive my Car/Truck like I ride my bike....OK OK I don't lane split/filter in my vehicle....but if I could I WOULD!
1 of my Road Mottos: If you don't have to Stop....DONT!
CentralOzzy wrote:I started out riding on the Dirt & I really think this is the perfect start to Motorcycling.
There's nothing like riding in dust, mud, thru rivers & over logs to prepare you for the adventures of the road & other road users!
I ride on the road like I used to ride in the dirt (You know what I mean) & I also Drive my Car/Truck like I ride my bike....OK OK I don't lane split/filter in my vehicle....but if I could I WOULD!
1 of my Road Mottos: If you don't have to Stop....DONT!
I will endorse that, I rode observed trials for 20 years and you learn very fine control and understand how your body influences the bike. What I did learn when I got back on the road was that the rules had changed, every body is so damned agressive now, it makes you be the same just to stay safe.
I spent my therapy money an a K1200S
The therapy worked, I got a GS now
A touch of insanity crept back in the shape of an R1200R
CentralOzzy wrote:I started out riding on the Dirt & I really think this is the perfect start to Motorcycling.
There's nothing like riding in dust, mud, thru rivers & over logs to prepare you for the adventures of the road & other road users!
I ride on the road like I used to ride in the dirt (You know what I mean) & I also Drive my Car/Truck like I ride my bike....OK OK I don't lane split/filter in my vehicle....but if I could I WOULD!
1 of my Road Mottos: If you don't have to Stop....DONT!
Funny, but I arrived where I am by alot of the same experince. I'd like to add another motto to live by: If you don't have to crash.....DON'T!
CentralOzzy wrote:
High_Side wrote:
CentralOzzy wrote:So one day I wad dedicated, leaned over to the max, about to go down the one way street (Yes, the correct way) & Surprise!!! a Car zooming up the wrong way....Yes it did happen Fast & the decision I made was to lock up the back wheel & lay it down rather that have a head on with said vehicle.
Al,
With all due respect how did you stop faster by sliding than by braking?
It wasn't about applying brakes & stopping, no time.... it was about avoiding the front of his car with my body....so I slid the bike into the car while I stayed behind the bike, the bike hit & I missed!
I had full leathers on & so didn't get hurt at all. Although it's not desirable to do this, it was much better than impacting the hard metal of the vehicle.
I still don't get it but I might not be the sharpest tool I'll just have to peg you as part of the 1% who layed it down for the right reasons whether I understand it or not!
Cheers,
Bruce
QUOTE High_Side....I'd like to add another motto to live by:
If you don't have to crash.....DON'T!
That's a good Motto....but in my particular case I had no choice, one way or another I was 'Going Down' or 'INTO' the front of the offending vehicle, my refexes went for the slide option & as it turned out I was OK.
High_Side wrote:....I'd like to add another motto to live by:
If you don't have to crash.....DON'T!
That's a good Motto....but in my particular case I had no choice, one way or another I was 'Going Down' or 'INTO' the front of the offending vehicle, my refexes went for the slide option & as it turned out I was OK.
Do you think I would crash if I had a way out?
No, I don't Al. And I can't possibly know what it was like to be there so it really doesn't matter what I think. Looking at what you've described and how you ended up you DID end o.k. given the circumstance. My instincts would not have let me put the bike down to use as a blocker as I would have been worried about it becoming a ramp for the car to run me over. I hope I never face that exact situation either, but I have faced alot during many years on the dirt and the street and I still remain unconvinced that "layin' her down" is intentional in most cases when the story is told. I do believe you however when you say you did it intentionally, but I still think I would have responded differently. But I wasn't there....and hope to never be....(fingers crossed).
I found this discussion quite interesting to say the least. I'm glad it turned out well for you.
This past summer a guy was killed here in KY when a tractor trailer jack knifed kinda like you said. According to the police report from his 2 buddies, the fellow got to much rr brake and started to slid out. He released the bike and went slidding on his back into another lane, where he was promptly squashed by another truck. They told police that were trying to block the lane they were in so he wouldn't be hit. Interesting to note his 2 buddies stopped okay, one being in front & 1 behind the killed guy.
Like it was mentioned earlier, getting off a bike isn't even in my top 10 choices. Everytime I've seen it happen it was due to rider error. I've seen and heard some good stories afterwards, especially after the erroring rider has time to rationalize, but none were intentional. Emergency evasion choices is the result of practiced reactions. You do what you've trained yourself to do. Hesitate to long (we're talking microseconds here) and the bike does it for you, ie the slideout from to much brake. My 1st riding course in the 70's taught that it was okay to slide out, but you were to stay with the bike. I'm talking about the dirt bike slide into a power turn style or look. The rider just had to get his leg out from under first to get on top of his slidding bike. I thought it was a load of "whoie" then too. MSF later dropped that whole section of slidding the rear tire to a stop from their instruction.
Part of the problem prior to your get off was due more to following to close and not having a full sight distance for your speed. Given the situation you put yourself in you did the best for it an you lived. Just my opinion and again I'm glad you were okay.
Stan aka "Runswalking"
The Force can have a strong influence on the weak minded.
i've dumped a couple bikes so i know how fast things can happen, and every time im out riding and see some one riding with sandles, shorts, and a wife beater on, i think to my self how stupid that is and in this video there are some pics of people who made the choice to go out riding without proper apparel. I feel that if any of you are thinking of going down then i would suggest going out and spending the money on some good riding protective gear. This past summer 7 out of 11 of the guys and girls that i ride with went down for various reasons and their gear saved every one of them so much pain and doctors bills, i would rather sweat my butt off then run the chance of gettin all tore up Click here to see Video[/url]
ravensr wrote: This past summer 7 out of 11 of the guys and girls that i ride with went down for various reasons and their gear saved every one of them so much pain and doctors bills, i would rather sweat my butt off then run the chance of gettin all tore up
At the risk of pissing even more people off, you really need to re-evaluate who you ride with. 7 out of 11 should be a HUGE RED-FLAG. There is something wrong with the group. Stop riding with them before one of them takes you out!
how did you stop faster by sliding than by braking?
Do you think I would crash if I had a way out?
